The annual festival of Surya-kunda (Suryakund) is perhaps the best-attended event of the local Vaishnava babaji society, marking the passing of Siddha Sri Madhusudana Das Babaji. Surya-kunda is a small village located in western Uttar Pradesh, some 40 kilometers off Vrindavana, a solitary place with a number of resident Gaudiya Vaishnava hermits. This year's event ended with a grand disaster — temple roof caved in, dozens dead and many more wounded.
Throughout the three-hour program of songs and processions around the village, people have taken advantage of the temple rooftop for a premium view of the program. The roof is particularly crammed at the concluding feast towards the afternoon, hosting up to hundreds of visitors from the total participation easily reaching over a thousand.
At the closing of the festival, as almost everyone had concluded their meals and began to move about, the ashram roof caved in on top of the crowds sitting in the large temple hall below. Many mahantas, important religious leaders from around the area of Vraja, along with hundreds of others, were taking their meals downstairs at the time of the accident, with hundreds more sitting on the falling roof.
Dozens are estimated dead, though no exact information is available as of yet. Participants smeared with blood were seen running around, wounded or mangled by the crashed building materials. Fractured skulls, fatal blood-loss and maimed limbs — the less fortunate were carried to their final rest. Apparently the supporting pillar of the building had given in, leading the entire roof to crash.
Some died on the spot, some on the way to the hospital, and some in the hospital. Exact information is yet to come in. An Italian devotee fell through the roof, but got off with a bit of blood and managed his own way home. Reports indicate that among the casualties was a well-built, hairy, bearded babaji, resident of Radha Colony, dressed in raggish clothes — very likely to be the same Bhakticharan Das Babaji with whom I lived last winter.
The social convention of segregating the sexes in religious festivals tells, assuming this year's seating arrangements followed the long-established trend of the event, that the majority of victims were men. Men are given places inside the temple and on the roof, women have a separate large area on the outdoors temple premises.
A disaster of this magnitude is likely to hit the news soon. News follow-ups will be posted to the comments-section. The information for this report was received from Malati Dasi, a participant herself, fresh off the spot. Background information mine.
Saturday, December 6, 2008
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The social convention of segregating the sexes in religious festivals tells, assuming this year's seating arrangements followed the long-established trend of the event,that the majority of victims were men. Men are given places inside the temple and on the roof, women have a separate large area on the outdoors temple premises.
I guess we could whine and lament like the ISKCON devotees did over Jayapataka Swami, but heck, the babas attained the supreme destination so we should just lament that we too were not in the temple when the roof collapsed.
What looks like horror from the material perspective is actually a great blessing on the sadhus who left their mortal coils and ascended to the spiritual realm in their remaining spiritual body.
Or, did Kali Devi just get mad and put a dampener on the festivities?
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One of the ugliest comments I've read in a while. It's all fun & games to poke fun at Ananda, but this is a real tragedy.
This is such an unfortunate event to have happened, I'm so sorry they went through such a thing,
Human suffering like this generally brings sadness to people who are sensitive and kind.
Nir.. your condescending response about this is childish, you should be ashamed.
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Yeah, everybody is sad and miserable except the devotees who left their pathetic material bodies and attained siddha-deha.
It is really amazing to see so many "spiritual" people lamenting for the loss of a bag of stool and puss.
Krishna says that wise lament neither for the living nor the dead.
So, I guess wise man are a rare commodity.
Yesterday I was sitting here in Bangkok, meditating on how I wish that I was able to attend the festival in Surya Kund....and really lamenting...this news is a total shock...and I am very upset to hear it. What a tragedy.
Krsnamayi
Dave said re Nirswami's comment: One of the ugliest comments I've read in a while. It's all fun & games to poke fun at Ananda, but this is a real tragedy.
Jijaji said: Nir.. your condescending response about this is childish, you should be ashamed.
Radhe Radhe
Although, I do not agree in the way Nirswamiji conveyed his message, and of course, this is indeed a very sad event, I ask: do you think the words of the Gita should only find a place in our lives when we proselytize?
In events like this, we will know how far we have really understood/realized the messages of Krishna in the Gita.
Still, I hope my gurubhai is not involved in this tragedy.
"The social convention of segregating the sexes in religious festivals tells, assuming this year's seating arrangements followed the long-established trend of the event, that the majority of victims were men. Men are given places inside the temple and on the roof, women have a separate large area on the outdoors temple premises."
So second class status saved their lives this time.
At first glance it seems that Nir is being callous to those who may have lost loved ones (what up ji?). But when we look at the "big picture" we see that there is no situation where we are happy to see love ones leave their bodies unless we really have faith that God is in control and full of love. Is it better to lament the loss of our loved ones or to present a vision of eternal life for one and all where those who leave this mortal realm are eternally care of? I think that the conception of the eternality of the soul is what comforts us in the wake of death. Nothing but a spiritual vision of eternal life can really bring freedom from the feeling of existential angst which can affect those of us with little faith in the power and ability of an omnipresent omnipotent God who guards over all of us. Such a vision is what frees all of us from a vision of darkness and sadness, replacing gloom with the shining light of eternal existence and bliss. Death is not a reality for those who understand that this universe and all life is fully under the absolute control of a being who sees all living beings as children to take care of for eternity. Death is an illusory conception for those who know that a living reality is in total and absolute control over reality.
Indeed, Malati, Jijaji and others. This is a tragedy and a civilized response is one of compassion.
Some of us (I do) like to attack fundies and others just like to be obnoxious and again others like to make a religious point. But when it comes to this kind of events all of us should hold back and be silent for a while.
If a loved one (or anyone) is involved jokes are not in place. And downplaying people's feelings of loss with remarks about karma, auspicious death etcetera is tricky... first of all we should be human and acknowledge eachother's feelings instead of ritualize them or deny them through religion.
Anyway, good to see that most of you are still around.
Love, Peace and Hare Krishna (for those who still love Him, like me)
What I lament is when someone dies unprepared for death. That is the regrettable thing about death. If a soul is prepared for death and is sincerely devoted to Krishna and living a spiritual life, then I do not lament his/her passing as they have attained their life's perfection. I lament the lack of Krishna consciousness of someone who dies untimely or unexpectedly. I lament that a soul must come back to this miserable world and suffer again in who knows what kind of body or situation.
So, for the Baba's who passed at Surya-kunda, I am sorry if I have offended the sensitivities of anyone reading this blog. Now, all of a sudden viewers are popping out of the walls and making their presence known.
Please excuse me.
I am a rather callous person, but of course I would lament the loss of a personal loved on.
But, also, I understand death as a time for the soul to be refreshed, rebooted and recharged with a new body full of youth and vigor. Or, to attain eternal life in the transcendental realm.
I have often referred to this material world as "Krishna's little house of Horrors". Sometimes at fairs we see these sorts of attractions where people actually pay money to be scared and horrified on some ride through a virtual hell.
So, occasionally, these horrors even happen in the holy places.
There were even many horrors that affected the residents of Vrindavan during the lila of Krishna.
So, as much as we dislike these things, we must all accept that horror is one of the principle features of material existence, especially in kali-yuga.
Again, apologies to those who I offended with my remarks.
The story is starting to be reported by the News agencies, although the numbers seem inaccurate:
New Delhi News.Net
Sunday 7th December, 2008 (IANS)
Five killed, 80 injured in roof collapse in Uttar Pradesh
Five sadhus were killed and at least 80 injured when the roof of a 300-year-old Barsana ashram collapsed, the police said Sunday.
The incident took place Saturday afternoon while an annual 'Bhandara' was held in the Ashram of Siddha Baba on the Goverdhan-Barsana road, about 30 km from Mathura. Thousands of people had gathered for the event.
'The ashram building roof couldn't take the load of the people and collapsed, killing five and injuring more than 80, at least a dozen of whom are in serious condition,' an official at the Goverdhan police station said.
He said the injured have been admitted to hospitals in Mathura and Goverdhan.
In Madhumati's Blog
Of course there needs to be some disaster relief fund set up where devotees can make contributions for those directly effected by this, I'm sure Ananda has some ideas in this regard.
Although horrific, this event could serve in some way in bringing various devotee camps together in a spirit of helping their own in a tragic time of need.
namaskar
When an event like this happens, it is a time for quiet contemplation and sadness - not to gloatingly remind everyone of how we are 'bags of pus and stool', etc.
There should always be sadness when a mahatma leaves the mortal plane, if not at least for the fact that the rest of us will never be able to relish their wisdom again. We feel the loss, and loss brings sadness.
Theistic persons believe in the will of Krishna, especially in regards to his devotees and the holy dhams.
So, let the whiners whine about the will of Krishna, but really, whining about what Krishna has ordained is for mental midgets who complain about what Krishna has done.
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I ask: do you think the words of the Gita should only find a place in our lives when we proselytize?
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Going by some recent posts and discussions, it seems that not much is understood and so much is taken as just words - and not *realised*.
By some who are supposed to be devotees. Maybe too much reading of ras-lila books and not enough of the basics. Even some mayavad basics might help with their understanding of BG.
In particular, "the laws of the material nature are very harsh." That includes the laws of physics, and if such old buildings are not properly maintained and there is a lack of common sense, then...roofs collapse.
Events like this, and natural disasters that cause the deaths of many more than this, are not necessarily Krishna's will, directly. He has caused a system to be set up, managed and controlled by what we generally know as the demi-gods.
(Enough of the Christian/Muslim influence, thanks. It is only "God's will" inasmuch as he has set upo the system and let it run.)
> Still, I hope my gurubhai is
> not involved in this tragedy.
He's ok.
People only remember one side of the karmic equation. Karma does not only resolve, it also evolves and branches out again.
The karma of past resolves upon coming to an unaided fruition. The circumstances, however, may be will-induced, which creates new karma. People involved in creating an accident-situation through irresponsible management, for example, would be perpetrators in creating karma.
If there were no sense of responsibility and everyone was just a passive agent of karma, I could shoot you in the face and clear myself of all responsibility with this wonderful little karma jinx.
And none of this, of course, need have anything to do with Krishna or any other godhead ordaining anything. It's just a web we humans weave, all of our own volition.
jijaji: "Of course there needs to be some disaster relief fund set up where devotees can make contributions for those directly effected by this, I'm sure Ananda has some ideas in this regard."
Oh sure, I could lay out a long list of ideas. The sad realities of how stuff works, or rather doesn't work in India however restricts the scope of what can be done with people of our meager resources. You need a shitload of money to get anything serious started, wade through endless bureaucracies and whatever else. I might have given it a shot, were I in Braj at the moment, but as it stands I'm not. That notwithstanding, hats off to people who try to help the affected.
If you translate the word 'karma' into english it means 'coincidence'.
You have good karma, means you have good luck and if you have bad karma you have bad luck.
Since we like to be in control (we need to feel in control otherwise we develop a psychogenic illness) we invent things that increase our perceived behavioral control (to keep our sanity).
Rituals for good karma are meaningful only in the sense that they give us the illusion of control over what is uncontrollable. If the raindance doesn't bring rain, we do not doubt the raindance, but we doubt our performance of the raindance. It is better to doubt ourselves than the ritual that keeps us sane. You get it ?
Karma.. yeah right... if there is such a thing it is only in the sense that an independent variable influences a dependent variable in a laboratory experiment (double blind, randomized etc.), but not the kind that protects the keepers of the book and discriminates against everybody else.
I honestly do hope there is a god of love with whom I will dance an eternal love dance, but I doubt everyone who claims to know the rules, especially if they are in the ONLY bonafide line of understanding.
How we cope with the unexpected differs from person to person. Some may find support in an ideology, some in a ritual, some seek for social support. If we are connected and our feelings are taken as real and meaningful, we can maybe get somewhere together no matter what religion we follow voluntarily or are brought up in.
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If you translate the word 'karma' into english it means 'coincidence'.
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Really. The normal translation of the word is "action".
Translation, explanation, is not going to fit in here. Unless Ananda feels like coming up with a brief summary to get you started. If you want to learn, instead of giving us ...this...
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You have good karma, means you have good luck and if you have bad karma you have bad luck.
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...there is plenty of material available. You could start by defining "luck". (Good luck.)
@Nirananda:
What happened to Jayapataka? ...If he's gone back home, back to Godhead, it's the first I've heard of it.
Sri Sri Sativananda said...
@Nirananda:
What happened to Jayapataka?
end quote
No, he hasn't passed yet, it looks like he might be recovering but could possibly be restricted to a wheel chair for the rest of his life.
No, he didn't die, but he was kept alive on mechanical contrivances for almost four weeks. He would have died had not he been kept alive in a coma for several days.
Srila Prabhupada (from what I was told) ordered his disciple to NEVER keep him alive on machines and in fact could have survived years longer had he been willing to accept dialysis.(so I am told)
So, Jayapataka survived through a process using mechanical devises that Srila Prabhupada rejected.
His neophyte disciples were posting all over the internet that everyone should "pray intensely" for Krishna to keep Jayapataka alive, apparently oblivious to any intentions or will of Krishna that might have been involved in his double brain stroke.
The whining of his disciples was pathetic, and they carried on in a way that I never saw even with the passing of Srila Prabhupada, Srila Sridhar Maharaja or any senior Gaudiya Vaishnava.
There was no question of "Krishna, IF IT IS YOUR WILL, keep Jayapataka alive".
No, it was "keep Jayapataka alive because we want it so".
It was pathetic and still is pathetic how the Jayapataka Swami episode is playing out even under the pretext that he will attain the supreme spiritual paradise in a romantic affair with Krishna upon his passing.
His horde of neophyte disciples have no clue how to deal with the situation and all they can think about is the position they have in ISKCON under him and what might happen to that position if Jayapataka dies.
Karma means action ?
No, really not.
If bad things happen to good people, that is because of 'action' ??????
And please, don't play the previous-life-card.
There is no such thing as a previous life...., or star signs, or reiki 1, or reiki 2, or future telling through tarot.
Karma means coincidence. Period. Not action.
Winning the lottery
Being struck by lightening
Getting hit by a Tata-truck
is karma, indeed an unfortunate coincidence.
Translating karma as action, makes no sense at all, like..... "I prompted into karma, took immediate karma, went to the videostore and rented a karma-movie starring Bruce Willis."
or
"I bought my child some karma-figures"
In contrast to coincidence....
"I won the lottery, because of good karma (= coincidence)"
Recently it is discovered that ancient greek culture predates the vedic culture for a great part.
Many of the great findings from the far east are actually transformed greek influences. This becomes very clear if you look at architecture, sculptures, language, philosophy and epics.
It all started in Greece and Persia.
The scientific evidence is overwhelming and is only opposed by 2 scientists (of whom one is belgian and can therefor not be taken seriously) and heaps of laymen with a religious interest and armed with conspiracy theories.
It is interesting to see that so many experts on ancient mystical old books and linguistics with a religious background do not recognize this, or want to recognize this.
By the way, karma means yoghurt and is also a bookstore in London.
anon said:
" Karma means action ?
No, really not."
How about you look up some translation instead of concocting your own.
anon said:
" If bad things happen to good people, that is because of 'action' ??????"
YES. You ass, stop talking about "good" and "bad". It's cause and effect. Action and reaction, and consequences. You throw a stone into the pond, there MUST be ripples. Go back to Anada's post and read it again, carefully. Maybe, just maybe, some little glimmer of light will appear in the turgid darkness of your mind.
anon said:
" And please, don't play the previous-life-card.
There is no such thing as a previous life...., or star signs, "
Do you not know the difference between your opinion and anything else?
"star signs" are names given to specific configurations/positions of planets at specific times. Whether or not that has any influences on life forms, that you can discuss, but not whether or not they exist.
Anonymous Shri Sir Shri Sir Very High said...
" Translating karma as action, makes no sense at all, "
To you, because you're ignorant and stupid.
" like..... "I prompted into karma, took immediate karma, went to the videostore "
Attracting the attention of morons and airheads is not going to do Ananda any good.
" In contrast to coincidence...."
Define "coincidence". co-incidence. What does it mean? What causes it?
One hallmark of great stupidity must be to declare that something does not exist because you're too stupid to understand it.
If two events co-incide in the dimensions of time and space it is a coincidence.
If you get hit by a Tata-truck, it is the event of you being at that crossroad not watching and the Tata-truck being at that place at the exact same time.
If you get hit by the Tata-truck, everybody will say it is due to your karma. An unfortunate COINCIDENCE.
Duh !
If you think there is a causal relation between the two or a hidden variable like mystical punishment or something that equals YOUR definition of karma, that's fine. You need to think that to stay sane. I will not challenge your mental defense mechanisms.
I will not disturb the ignorant. Think as you like.
Hell with the dictionary ! Karma means coincidence. Who wrote that dictionary anyway ???? Yes indeed, a brahmana with vested interest.
I vote coincidence.
And can anybody here proof there is such a thing as 'previous life' ?
Nonetheless, this discussion does not belong here in the light of this tragic news. Maybe we can discuss this when Baba posts a new post about all the things that are wrong with religious ideas, like karma, reincarnation and so on.
Karma has a whole page of translations in the dictionary (looking at MW), all of which refer to volitional action.
If you have a problem with the concept as it's generally understood, may I suggest you rather use another word in its stead while sticking that word's common dictionary meaning in your usage.
In general, while there are some valuable posts in the lot, the bulk of the 31 comments aren't really justified under an entry of this nature. Please be a bit tactful.
Sorry, I completly forgot what this post was initially about. I got triggered by reading some comments and got reactive.
Hope to read more by some on a different post.
My apologies
At least they were allowed to report that it happened.
In one of the mathas that Ananda used to be associated with, a similar thing happened a few years ago. The main [funky bamboo and canvas] structure collapsed during a festival and killed an elderly Indian lady.
One of the goofy brainwashed disciples wrote a newsletter festival debrief report saying that their guru, who can control Krishna, made it happen to teach them that this world is temporary and full of dangers and the real temple is in the heart.
I wonder if he told the elderly lady that her gig was about to be up beforehand...or if he just let her enjoy the element of surprise?
This is the same guru who allegedly can control Krsna and knows past present and future, but he thought it was better not to warn another goofy disciple don't dive head first into ocean at Jagannath Puri and go surfing or else you will break your neck.
I dunno it seems rather wasteful of the laksmi given to that camp that if their guru knows ahead of time that all this stuff is going to happen, why can't he warn people ahead of time? Cuz then they had to have a big old continuous fundraiser for the kid who became a paraplegic from diving head first into the ocean.
One would think that if these people know past, present, and future, they could at least tell their goofy disciples to get some travel insurance so they can pay for their own medical bills.
Or they could have taken out a huge life insurance policy on the old lady who died so they could stop continually asking people who live below the poverty level for donations.
At any rate, then in their official online newsletter that goes around the world, they put into print that the guru who can control Krishna told his goofy brain-washed disciples, on the last day of the festival, "Don't tell anyone what went on here this year, because then others will not come in the future."
I think that is really great, the total transparency and honesty. Like one of the qualities of a brahmana is being honest, so I think it is very nice he was so honest to tell people that.
Well of course, I guess he can lie because "Krsna is crooked" so we must trick people to come to the holy dhama "by hook or by crook".
Then by convincing hordes of bhaktas to come to the holy dhama, that will make the holy dhama's transcendental real estate values rise...(?)
I guess is the line of reasoning behind not sharing that, "No licensed professional structural engineers were used in the erection of this edifice".
I guess because as sannyasis they cannot say the word "erection" (?). Even though they go around carrying huge erect things called dandas, which as you may know sex workers in India they refer to their work as "danda" = "sex work".
But I guess is a type of sex work, to peep in the bushes of a kunja with a whole lot of other imaginary pre-pubescent girls (?).
Transcendental sex work, I guess.
At any rate, at least this group was able to tell what happened and at least they didn't claim that their guru who can control Krsna
a) knew it was going to happen, because he knows past present and future,
b) let it happen anyway, even though he can control Krsna because it was such an important lesson to teach the bhaktas.
Kool-aid, anyone?
Anyways, I don't need a kool-aid dispensing cult to know why it really happened: because that chubby man was mean to Ananda.
As Buddhists we will do metta and wish them well and safe passage to the next world and wish that their loved ones will be comforted also.
Now quit Bogarting it and pass the transcendental Kool-aid!
If I didn't know better, I would think there must be a full Moon today. The creepy crawlers are coming out of the woodwork and dropping little turds all over the place.
People keep talking about karma when they are really referring to vikarma.
Karma is like doing sacrifices to the gods.
Vikarma is the bad shit that people do that causes buildings to collapse on top of them.
vikarma — work without sense; SB 3.9.17
vikarma — sinful activities forbidden in the scriptures; SB 5.5.4
vikarma — forbidden activities; SB 5.18.3
vikarma — to sinful activities; SB 10.70.26
vikarma — engagement in forbidden activities; SB 11.3.43
vikarma — sinful activities; SB 11.5.42
vikarma — forbidden activities; SB 11.7.8
vikarma — sinful activities; CC Adi 17.154
vikarma — sinful activities; CC Madhya 22.144
bhīma-karmā — one who performs herculean tasks; BG 1.15
karma-bandham — bondage of reaction; BG 2.39
janma-karma-phala-pradām — resulting in good birth and other fruitive reactions; BG 2.42-43
karma-phala — in the result of the work; BG 2.47
karma — activity; BG 2.49
karma-jam — due to fruitive activities; BG 2.51
karma-yogena — by the linking process of devotion; BG 3.3
karma — work; BG 3.5
karma-indriyāṇi — the five working sense organs; BG 3.6
karma-indriyaiḥ — by the active sense organs; BG 3.7
karma-yogam — devotion; BG 3.7
karma — duties; BG 3.8
karma — work; BG 3.8
karma-bandhanaḥ — bondage by work; BG 3.9
karma — work; BG 3.9
karma — prescribed duties; BG 3.14
karma — work; BG 3.15
karma — work; BG 3.19
karma — work; BG 3.19
karma — prescribed duties; BG 3.24
karma-sańginām — who are attached to fruitive work; BG 3.26
guṇa-karma — of works under material influence; BG 3.28
karma — work; BG 4.9
karma-jā — from fruitive work; BG 4.12
karma — and work; BG 4.13
karma-phale — in fruitive action; BG 4.14
karma — work; BG 4.15
karma — prescribed duty; BG 4.15
karma — action; BG 4.16
karma — work; BG 4.16
karma — fruitive action; BG 4.18
kṛtsna-karma-kṛt — although engaged in all activities; BG 4.18
karma-phala-āsańgam — attachment for fruitive results; BG 4.20
karma — work; BG 4.21
karma — work; BG 4.23
karma — in activities; BG 4.24
karma-jān — born of work; BG 4.32
karma — activities; BG 4.33
karma-yogaḥ — work in devotion; BG 5.2
karma-sannyāsāt — in comparison to the renunciation of fruitive work; BG 5.2
karma-yogaḥ — work in devotion; BG 5.2
karma — actions; BG 5.11
karma-phalam — the results of all activities; BG 5.12
karma-phala — with the results of activities; BG 5.14
karma-phalam — of the result of work; BG 6.1
karma — work; BG 6.1
karma — work; BG 6.3
karma — activities; BG 7.29
karma — fruitive activities; BG 8.1
karma — fruitive activities; BG 8.3
karma — of work; BG 9.28
mat-karma-kṛt — engaged in doing My work; BG 11.55
mat-karma — My work; BG 12.10
sarva-karma — of all activities; BG 12.11
karma-phala-tyāgaḥ — renunciation of the results of fruitive action; BG 12.12
karma-yogena — by activities without fruitive desire; BG 13.25
karma-sańgena — by association with fruitive activity; BG 14.7
karma-sańgiṣu — in the association of those engaged in fruitive activities; BG 14.15
karma — to work; BG 15.2
karma — work; BG 16.24
karma — work; BG 17.26-27
karma — activities; BG 18.2
karma — work; BG 18.3
karma — works; BG 18.3
karma — activity; BG 18.5
karma — work; BG 18.8
karma — work; BG 18.9
karma — work; BG 18.10
karma — of work; BG 18.11
karma — work; BG 18.15
karma — of work; BG 18.18
karma — the work; BG 18.18
karma — of work; BG 18.18
karma — work; BG 18.19
karma — action; BG 18.23
karma — work; BG 18.24
karma — work; BG 18.25
karma-phala — the fruit of the work; BG 18.27
karma — duty; BG 18.42
karma — duty; BG 18.43
karma — duty; BG 18.44
karma — duty; BG 18.44
sva-karma — in his own duty; BG 18.45
karma — work; BG 18.47
karma — work; BG 18.48
hey, well done, Nir.
" But I guess is a type of sex work, to peep in the bushes of a kunja with a whole lot of other imaginary pre-pubescent girls (?).
Transcendental sex work, I guess. "
They're not pre-pubescent - that's just what the old-skools tell you so you don't get ideas.
They're buds, budding, they've got nips. manjari means bud.
i had two of my guru nephews attending and it was dreadful by all accounts. all the mahantas have met and are getting together to pay for the hospital fees.
Blogged also in Advaita's blog:
http://madangopal.blogspot.com/2008/12/suryakund-tragedy.html
Advaita's puts the death toll to 10+, notes a Dainik Jagran report of 12. According to other reports I received, it was in the range of 15.
Jagat's:
http://jagadanandadas.blogspot.com/2008/12/surya-kunda-tragedy.html
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